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I wish I would have asked for samples... Photos of wood finishes are so hard to decipher!
My Q is about Sandalwood.
These three pieces have it. Does it usually look like this:
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Or this, which appears quite light:
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Or somewhere in between like this:
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The first one is pretty stunning. Maybe they just worked the highs and lows in the finish particularly to accentuate the curves, though...
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Those look all very different on my screen. If anything, the second and third look more similar to each other than the first. All nice, but different.
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Sandalwood will look like photos 2 and 3.
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Thank you. Is there something that is more like the first photo? I have two pages up, one from the wood finish options page on their website and the other from their catalog. They are so different, but it looks like maybe their catalog has better color representation but the listings on their website reflect sheen and if there is distressing... And I am googling photos until I am cross eyed.
I want something in a darker tone that is sort of chocolatey with a soft, silky sheen and no distressing marks... The moves will do the distressing for us!!! And with a warm, maybe slightly reddish undertone to it. Not dark, dark like java or walnut. Wish I could afford that belgian chocolate upgrade, but that is not happeneing. I was thinking about normandy, but the only photos I could see are so dark in peoples homes that I cannot tell much about it, and when I looked back on the website, it shows distressing dents.
Is mahagony what I am looking for? Some photos make it look very red, but others are just right to me. Is the distressed mahagony just sanded to have high and lowlights or does it have actual dent marks on the wood (webpage finish listings does not show any marks on it)?
What am I looking for :confused:??? Thank you for your time and enduring patience!!!
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You can get any 'distressed' finish without distressing - I do that all the time. It's impossible for me to pick colors for you based on text descriptions, sorry! my advice is to not overthink it on a York series sectional. The wood part is not all that prominent and not a key element of the piece. The wood sample photos on the H&M web site are very accurate I have found.
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Hi, Savannah.
At this very moment, I have a chain of Duane's H&M wood finish samples. After reading your list of preferences, I immediately thought of Oiled Mahogany. It is absolutely beautiful and, I believe, checks everything on your list. It has a deep, deep, rich color, fantastic sheen, with that slight red undertone so typical of mahogany. As a matter of fact, it was one of the top three my husband and I were considering for the H&M pieces we just yesterday had Duane order.
TXCajun
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Any "Oiled' finish is a flat sheen....
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Duane, good to know about the option of requesting no distressing. I had not thought of that.
Thank you ever so much TXCajun! Btw I'm a Texan too! Gosh, a whole ring of wood finishes... You're fortunate to have that!!!! I wish I would have realized that was an option, as I pine over every detail and hate to ask a lot of questions if I can just get it in my hands to look at myself. It is hard to pinpoint just by photos in my opinion. I actually submitted my order a few weeks ago and then got to looking at the photos of wood finishes again and changed my mind-- to what I have not known, just something besides what I had originally picked lol. Time's a tickin' as my piece will be started before long!!! Is Oiled Mahogany darker than the other (Distressed)Mahogany? And how does it compare to Normandy?
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Well, you can have TXCajun send you my wood samples when she is done with them, and the nailboard that is in with it....if you don't mind mailing them back to me.
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Hey, Savannah.
Whereabouts in Texas? I'm in the hill country. Born and raised a Louisiana girl, but have family in the piney woods of East Texas. I love the Texas hill country.
Duane, thanks for pointing out that the oiled wood finishe is a flat sheen. Savannah, it's good that he added that because I use the word sheen to mean a finish that is not high gloss, shiny, and so on.
Regarding samples: I believe you can request samples be mailed to you directly from H&M. Duane is much faster, but his samples must be return shipped. My husband and I did go to a local showroom, but found missing and/or limited samples for viewing. And, yes, we do our best to support local businesses. However, the one we visited is more like a big-box store and is therefore not as knowledgeable as Duane, nor as personable, and we find their prices an astonishingly thirty to thirty-three percent higher.
I did compare the Oiled Mahogany vs Mahogany vs Normandy samples. DISCLAIMER: This is coming from a gal with 50-something years old eyes! Here's what I see: The Mahogany appears to have a background tone that is slightly redder than the Oiled Mahogany. The Oiled Mahogany appears to have some darker graining, as well. Overall, my opinion is that the Oiled Mahogany is slightly darker than Mahogany. Normandy seems to have a background tone that is more golden than red. Overall, Normandy is darker than either Mahogany, but does not cross that line from dark brown into black brown. It really is very much subjective, but I hope that helps.
When in doubt, go with Duane. He is the Yoda of this forum world!
TXCajun
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Hi, Duane.
If that's what Savannah wants to do, I am happy to ship directly to her. Easy-peasy!
TXCajun
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Piney woods born and raised girl here... Oh how I miss the huge pines, towering oaks, oil pumps humming away, pastures, and shady oil top roads through God's country! I married "into the military", so we are all over the place now. Headed to Hawaii next for a few years.
Ok, my heart says oiled mahogany sounds just right, but my brain is still struggling wanting to make sure a non-distressed normandy is not what I want instead. It would help if I could compare it to my existing furniture and see it with my leather choice. I might take you up on the wood ring offer, but I really dont want to spend more money right now... Duane, do you know how much the shipping is for that and the nails? And how much time I have left to decide?? I dont want to hold up the production AT ALL!!!
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Which of the two would you say best matches this (sorry not my own photo, so it may be blurry...I saved and cropped)
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Savannah, please thank your husband for me. I greatly appreciate his service and sacrifice.
The picture, as I can view it, seems to suggest gold undertones in some places. Have you viewed the H&M website wood finish photos? I know nothing beats having the samples in hand, but those photos do a pretty good job representing the colors...at least on my monitor. If you haven't, take a look and post what you think you see.
Also, to my untrained eye, I say the Mahogany, Oiled Mahogany, and Normandy are not glaringly different. Of the three finalists I was considering, it was the same thing. They were fairly similar, therefore not an easy decision. Realistically, my husband and I could have put those three in a sack, shaken, pulled one out, declared it the winner, and would have been thrilled with the final product! But, I completely relate to your desire to get it just right.
TXCajun
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Hm, now that you mention it, I think that does lean golden, and my woods do too. We build most of our furniture, and I do all the finishing, and I always mix up a stain concotion that is "just right" and finish with shellac :). I just hope normandy isn't too dark-- Does the grain still show up on it? You're so right about picking one out of the bag lol.
And thank you for your appreciation!!!
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The Normandy sample does still show some grain. It's a tight grain, but does show. Is that what you'd originally ordered?
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I wonder about the wood grain-- I thought all the legs were made of maple, so the grain should be the same???
No, I originally ordered dark oak. Upon further inspection, I decided it might be too light and too orange-toned.
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Oh! The Dark Oak is very handsome! All of your selections are good-looking. I know your head is spinning with choices. Been there...done that. Try to defer to Duane's suggestion that with the sofa you selected, there isn't much leg/wood showing. It seems you've hit the sweet spot with the wood finishes you're considering.
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Oh and yes, I have been looking at the wood finish photos on hancock and moore's website and the photos in their e-catalog side by side, as well as googling photos of pieces made up of these to compare as best I could. Normandy looks so dark in the few photos I was able to dig up on pieces indoors that I couldnt tell much about it. I "think" there might be a better color representation of the finishes in their e-catalog??? Pages 13-16. What do you think? I appreciate this help so, so much!!! http://www.hancockandmoore.com/ecatalog/index.html#17
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It is??! Lol, Im going to lose my mind now :rolleyes::D. Maybe I should just get the samples...
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I know it's making you batty. I am happy to quick-ship the samples. It would put your mind at ease and that's worth a lot, right?
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Haha, yes "batty" about describes it! I actually do think the York's legs will be clearly seen; they help complete the look of that sofa... And there are a lot of them on a sectional. They are tapered and look to be about 4" tall. How big of a pkg would all that need to fit in?
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Savannah,
I just returned from the post office. The box of samples should arrive at your place, tomorrow, likely after 3:00 p.m., but don't hold me to that! The box is not big...approximately 12"x12"x5". It does weigh a bit, but not anvil heavy. More like filled with a few books heavy. I'll PM you with more details regarding how you'll ship it back to Duane.
Happy sampling!
TXCajun
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Yippee!!! Thanks a million!!
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Hey, Savannah.
Now that you have those samples, what are you thinking about your original wood finish candidates? Please, remind me as to your leather selection, as well.
TXCajun
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Hi!
The samples are so nice to have! I will share my findings!
Belgian Chocolate is beautiful, it's a warm brown with a yellow undertone and a finish so clear that the grain pops no matter what angle the wood is at. If you cannot afford this premium finish but want that warm chocolate brown colorway, consider Dark Oak or Mesa.
Dark Oak is very similar to Belgian Chocolate, but it lacks the some of the darker tones. It has a nice finish. Very pretty.
Mesa is nearly identical to Belgian Chocolate and has a beautiful shine, though it is not as shiny as the ultra finished BC. It also come standard with distressing marks. Without distressing, Mesa could be BC's sibling. Loved it the second I saw the sample.
Normandy surprised me. I thought it was going to be a warm brown, but instead it looks like the cousin to walnut, just verrrrry slightly more yellow undertoned.
Espresso, java, walnut looked like the photo listings on h&ms website... No red or yellow undertones for warmth, just dark/dark dark browns sort of in the black family. Java looks painted and is almost black , zero grain whatsoever.
Mahogany- beautiful. Slightly reddish. Not red like cherry wood red, though.
Distressed mahogany- beautiful. Slightly more yellow warm and less red. Still cannot figure out what is distressed about it... No dents... Maybe it is because of the tiny darker stain flecks? Luxorious shine.
Oiled Mahogany- warmer (in the yellow family) than all of the mahoganies. No shine at all really... Has a matte finish as if there is opague sheet on top when the light hits it from an angle. Darker streaks. Close to distressed mahogany but a little darker and with a dull finish. Really love it with tiburon java. I do wish it has a little shine in the finish, though.
As I was comparing the samples of wood in our home that I have finished myself in my preferred stains, I discovered matches to both Mesa and Oiled Mahogany. I like them both apparently! Then I compared the two to my hide, Tiburon Java. Tiburon Java is funny because the tone of it changes so much as it is manipulated and how the light is hitting it. One second the warm chocolate Mesa looks perfect, especially with the hide's caramelly/ tan colorbursts , the next second Mesa looks a touch too yellow for it (if I was trying to match) and the Oiled Mahogany is perfect. Most of the time, the Oiled Mahogany looks like a match to the Tiburon Java leather. I did not initially think I wanted the hide to match the legs, but I think it will give it a more streamlined appearance. I still love Mesa minus distressing, but I THINK I may go with Oiled Mahogany, but I'm not quite sure yet.
Tiburon java with oiled mahogany:
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Tiburon java with Mesa. See how it matches the warmth when I colorburst it from behind:
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With oiled mahogany left, mesa right:
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As you can see, Tiburon Java really changes with lighting and angles. This is a hard decision!!!
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I will be mailing the samples back on Monday I am happy to compare and/or take photos of wood finishes for anyone having a hard time deciding as time permits this weekend :).
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Savannah,
Your detailed observations and photos are excellent! That is very helpful. I'm sure this is an oversimplification, but it seems to me that there are two basic kinds of people with regards to making these selections: one-and-done people and ponderers. In this arena, my house is divided. My husband is a one-and-done. I am very much a ponderer. So, I go looking for descriptions, photos, advice, and so forth. You hit the nail on the head with your post! It's in line with the posts with leather comparison photos and stain tests photos. (I can't recall the names of the members posting those, but they were extremely helpful.)
I see exactly what you're describing and understand your decision.
Good job!
TXCajun
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Savannah..... oh yes! Please show me how the Java looks with Antique Oak, Nutmeg, Provence, and Waxed Pine,, or make a suggestion. I'd like a finish that is lighter than the Java yet complimentary to it. I'd like something slightly distressed and not shiny. Our room is large and open to the kitchen. We have built in bookshelves done in the same wood as the kitchen cabinets, woodwork and doors and they are all within this large great room. It is all quarter sawn oak in a light golden stain. Floors are hickory. Here's a picture....
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In this arena, my house is divided. My husband is a one-and-done. I am very much a ponderer.
That's because men are hunters - women are gatherers. Been like that for centuries.
Men see something - pull out their bow and arrow and shoot it. Kill it.
Women gather a little here, go over to another place and gather some more, then even another place and gather-gather.
I see it all the time in the store. The 21st Century version of it goes something like this....
Man: "That chair feels good - get it - that one is fine." (the one shot kill)
Woman: "Let's look through all 535 leather samples, what color do you think will go best? I may need to take some samples home." (gathering information)
:o
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LOL!! How true that is!! My husband totally is a one-and-done hunter. I've been pondering and gathering for the past 3 months. I put my order in this morning and I'm STILL pondering and gathering! Duane, do you love it when a man walks alone into your store? :cool:
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Ha! Duane, true dat!
TXCajun
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Provence, jake8! It has that contrast you're looking for, ties your woodwork together, and it has flecks of stain the same color as the java leather. It looks great with it!!! Trying to upload photos.
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Hi, Jake8.
This is off topic, but I'm curious about the collection I see organized on those kitchen shelves near the window. Little McCoy or Roseville pieces? Or, maybe tiny Fiestaware pitchers? What do you have going on back there? Whatever they are, the look very cheery!
TXCajun
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All together, L to R nutmeg, provence, waxed pine, antique oak-
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TXCajun,
These are Shawnee miniatures, or minis for short. They were made by the Shawnee Pottery company in Zanesville, Ohio from the late 30's thru the 40's. They were made as souvenir items back then and many of them have little stickers on them from where they came from or little hand painted flowers, etc. I have collected them for years and when we built our house a couple of years ago, I had the cabinet maker make shelves for them. I also collect Roseville pottery. I think you can see a few pieces in the picture too! I am a true gatherer!
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Oh Savannah, you're right! What a difference it makes to see actual samples. Of those, I like Provence the best by far. Now wondering if I can get Duane to change my order? Hint, hint.... are you there, Duane? Savannah, is Provence the absolute best? Want a little, but not a huge contrast. And a tad rustic.
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Thanks for the explanation, Jake8. What a cheerful and meaningful spot! I did notice your Roseville pieces. Lovely. Y'all's kitchen/living space looks terrific.
TXCajun
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I like provence the best too. There is only one other you may like, french pine. It is very slightly more brown tinged than provence and more rustic. I think provence looks perfect for your room ;).
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Thanks so much Savannah. By the way, I have some nail samples if anyone is interested.