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Emilio Sofa, Chair and Ottomans in Tiburon Java
I want to share some pictures of my recently delivered Emilio set. I ordered it in Tiburon Java which is an Italian Pull up leather, GR 3, from Duane and The Keeping Room. We live in Texas and delivery was by West Express / A&O. Everything was perfectly delivered minus a minor scratch in the wooden leg of the chair and a minor rub on the leather of one of the ottomans. Minor stuff, the driver fixed the wood scratch and we added a little wax cream to the rub on the leather and it's not too visible (its on the side, lower panel of the ottoman --you'd have to have your head on the floor to really see it if I told you where it is!)
The furniture is so heavy and it's impressive to see it delivered as it's carried by four big guys who are almost cursing under their breaths and sweating due to the weight of the pieces!! The sofa and chair are HEAVENLY to sit on! Everyone loves them! We ordered it with extra "stuffing" and with the 21 oz cores and there's nothing hard about them.
The Tiburon Java leather is FABULOUS! It is amazing to see its markings and the true artisan work that goes into making these pieces. I can see fat wrinkles, bites or other little round marks and differences in tone that make the pieces so unique. its hard to capture the true color of the leather in the pictures. It looks really shiny and reddish but it's not. It's a medium brown. The leather is not slick or slippery. See the picture of the sofa arm and you'll see the fat wrinkles and bites.
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Here's a few more pictures:
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In the last view you can also see the two Crossmoore Swivel chairs (Hancock and Moore also) that we also ordered from Duane. These are upholstered in a Taylor King fabric. The fabric is a Crypton fabric called Rampone Pewter. The chairs are just magnificent and so is the upholstering job.
We are truly happy with our furniture and with the amazing service that Duane provided us.
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The upholstered Crossmoore swivel chairs:
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They are simply lovely! Thank you Duane!
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Looks Great in your room, Viv! Thank you so much for being a customer and enjoy your new Hancock and Moore pieces. That leather will develop a wonderful patina with use and time - Italian pull-ups are hard to beat.
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Looks very nice!
I can attest to the weight of the Emilio sofa. I also had mine delivered by 2 guys from West Express. There was definitely cursing under their breaths due to the weight. They said that the sofa stays with the house!
I can see why you chose Tiburon over Gaucho Mocha - the Tiburon is more formal looking and goes well with your traditional decor.
P.S. Glad you got the 21 oz cores. I had mine changed out to the denser cores and it balanced the seating better since the sofa has a very high back.
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Thanks MJM_CA! Your input and pictures really helped me out when trying to make decisions a few months ago.
I agree on the sofa being high backed. It doesn't look it and if the seats are too soft you could really sink in it/ be swallowed by it. I don't know how popular this style of H&M sofa is but I think it gets overlooked. It is an amazing statement piece when seen in person. Clean lines and really massive size/weight. I can't push /shove /move the sofa no matter how much I've tried. :} We are thrilled with our new furniture.
The Tiburon Java looks more formal in the pictures but it's really not as shiny as the photographs show it. It so soft and supple! I have to run my hands on it every time I walk by the living room! It has already streched out and is pooling even thought we've had it for only 1.5 - 2 weeks. In fact, we were wondering if we actually did get the 21 oz cores because the seats are very soft. I looked at them but the numbers on the insert don't tell me anything.
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Yes, you definitely have the 21 oz cores, here's the work order! Note the model numbers have a custom designator as we added frame depth on your pieces.
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I have seen in the past year a marked preference for firmer cushions from many customers. In fact, so many that I think it's a trend. 18 oz is standard at H&M, 21 oz firmer, then 24 oz, 28 oz and so on. I rarely suggest anything beyond 21 oz (except for my plus + sized customers who I will suggest 24 oz). If the trend continues, then I will ask H&M to poll their other dealers and think about making 21 oz as a standard. We will see.....
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Oh yes-the 21 oz are there! Thanks for checking Duane! It's interesting to see the trend for firmer seat cushions. My husband suffers from back pain so a firmer sofa is always more comfortable for him. I like to curl up into the sofa, so I'm okay with most seats. BTW, the seats are extremely comfy and not hard AT ALL.
Additionally, we wanted to avoid too much pooling of the leather on the seats so we ordered the 21oz for this reason too. The pooling we see already might be happening because the leather is so soft --this is my guess --I'm not sure. The leather is extremely soft, buttery and supple (almost stretchy in nature) like a fine leather glove. We haven't used it much (a week and half!) but we do love, love, LOVE how it feels and are happy owners!! Falling asleep on it is SO easy for me to do!
Duane, one question about how this leather will change with time: patina, etc. on Tiburon..... in your experience, have you seen it darken/deepen in shade? or will it lighten in shade? (assuming no staining due to body oils, assuming no sun -that living room window behind the sofa gets no sun due to the covered patio right outside- and assuming that the maintenance is kept up, etc.). I read somewhere (can't recall where) that ALL aniline leather will become lighter/discolor with time. Is that true? I'd like mine to deepen/darken in time.
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Hi, ViviV.
You've done a terrific job with that room! It looks elegant, warm, and inviting. I love the soft, muted color scheme...easy on the eyes and relaxing. Your little pops of what appears to be robin's egg blue are just lovely. Absolutely yummy leather selection, as well!
TXCajun
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Thanks TXCajun! .... you're so kind! It's been a labor of love.... ;> and yes I've tried to introduce that little bit of color that runs through the room but doesn't over power. Good eye! Thanks for the compliments!
Now I just have to finish convincing my dear love to remove the sides (or curios) of the entertainment center and the living room will be done. ;>
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...Now I just have to finish convincing my dear love to remove the sides (or curios) of the entertainment center and the living room will be done. ;>
ViviV,
Is that a space issue?
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Yes.... and no. I feel that there's too much "cherry colored" wood now in the room that looks too "matchy-matchy" with the color of the leather. Also several people have told me that big wall entertainment centers are totally "out" (so 1990s..whatever that means!) and feel heavy in the room. So if we remove the side units (and get rid of the top bridge) we'd be left with the bottom console only which frees up visual and actual space in the room. I'm planning to move curios to the dinning room and use them together to store wine glasses and liquor bottles on the bottom. My husband is not 100% convinced of my proposal.... argues that it was so expensive and it's an all wood piece, etc., etc.... but I'm working on him....chipping away little by little....
What do you think? Do you own one of these lovely pieces? ;)
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Yes.... and no. I feel that there's too much "cherry colored" wood now in the room that looks too "matchy-matchy" with the color of the leather. Also several people have told me that big wall entertainment centers are totally "out" (so 1990s..whatever that means!) and feel heavy in the room. So if we remove the side units (and get rid of the top bridge) we'd be left with the bottom console only which frees up visual and actual space in the room. I'm planning to move curios to the dinning room and use them together to store wine glasses and liquor bottles on the bottom. My husband is not 100% convinced of my proposal.... argues that it was so expensive and it's an all wood piece, etc., etc.... but I'm working on him....chipping away little by little....
What do you think? Do you own one of these lovely pieces? ;)
I do not. And, I completely understand your points. You've done such a good job creating a room that is so visually soothing and I can imagine that piece sort of throws everything out of balance. Your re-purposing idea sounds like a good one! Seems like that would be a win-win for you and your husband, right? If he's unwavering in his opposition, how about painting the piece?
If you have time, would you post some photos of that wall?
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TX Cajun,
here's the wall, not the best picture...not the best lighting...
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He wont paint them.... I asked :/
Moving them is the only thing he has not said no to....yet.
I'm patient...Ha!
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The only thing that will darken leather is dirt...and oils.
Ambient lighting will lighten it some over time. And it will get more 'broken-in' in appearance over time - which is a good thing. A combination of lightening and darkening with use.
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TX Cajun,
here's the wall, not the best picture...not the best lighting...
He wont paint them.... I asked :/
Moving them is the only thing he has not said no to....yet.
I'm patient...Ha!
That cabinet is attractive, but I do see what you mean. It does sort of create a dark weight in a room that is trying to feel a bit lighter. Even though it does chew up some floor space, it really isn't bad! It's a nice piece. Since it appears those two side pieces are detachable, how about y'all give your idea a whirl...just to see how it changes things? Maybe your hubby would go for that just as an experiment, nothing written in stone. (I'm sure he is thrilled I'm volunteering him for that!) If you do, please post photos with your thoughts! Fun!
TXCajun
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If you do decide to take it down, you will probably want to put something on that wall or it will look bare. Some pictures. Just something to consider.
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I think your entertainment unit looks good. It's not dated as it was designed to accommodate a flat screen TV. The only part that looks a bit dated are the arched panels. If the shelves are finished on the inside, I would consider removing the upper cabinet doors and just have open shelving. This would help lighten the look of the unit.
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One thing always leads to another... :)
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Lol! Thanks to both of you Dawn99 and MJM_CA for your ideas. I agree, if we move the side units out I will have a pretty big, bare wall.... one thing does lead to another!
I have not considered removing the doors. I will see what that will look like. It could be an option. Thanks for that idea!
If we do anything I will keep you posted. ;)
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ViviV your furniture is beautiful. I had been following your thread because I've been looking at the Wrangler also and was curious to see where you ended up. I hadn't seen the Emilio line yet, so I'll look. I'm also looking at similar colors that you were. The Weston's are gone. So far I like the Hyde Park Cognac, I have some more on the way. Nice to see your process and where you ended up. I think I have a Tiburon on the way.
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My wife and I are looking into buying a H&M sofa and have chosen to focus on the Emilio after looking through their site and catalog. What's unfortunate is that the local stores do not have much of a selection of H&M (and no Emilio sofas) so it is tough to fully understand what we are getting ourselves in to. As such, I'm hoping that you can help answer a few questions since you are an owner of one.
First, the total depth is listed as 44" while the inside (seat) depth is just 21.5". Compared to other models, this is quite a big difference. Are the cushions rather large to account for the difference? We would've expected the seat depth to be deeper than 21.5". (we actually prefer a deeper seated couch so may look at customizing it to 24")
Second, the pitch of the back of the sofa looks rather slanted in some pictures. We are concerned that the natural seating position of the sofa would be quite angled. Does the sofa sit comfortably?
Third, we are trying to decide between a grade 1 or 3 (perhaps a gunner or wade). I see that you got a grade 3. Would you definitely recommend it despite the extra cost?
Any advice you can provide would be much appreciated. Thank you!
RG
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You may want to use Private Messaging to reach out to another member on an older thread as they may not see your question otherwise. PM's usually trigger an email to them.
21.5" is an average depth - you can have it customized to suit you however. Cushion size is average.
Any loose cushion back can be adjusted as they are held onto denim type back with velcro. You can change the pitch several degrees by simply repositioning the back cushion.
The Emilio Series is in the Town and Country Promotional Program in Gaucho Mocha Burnished (GR3) . If you like the color leather, it effectively gives you (more or less) a GR 3 sofa at a GR 2 price point.
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Ragregor,
I have the Emilio. The back of the Emilio is thickly padded and slanted. This accounts for why it’s wide and the seat depth is standard.
The back cushions come up high. We initially didn’t like the seating of it as much.
We switched out the seat cushion cores to the down upgrade which helped.
I like the style of the Emilio. But it’s not nearly as comfortable for us as the September sectional.
Due to the higher back and square arms of the Emilio it just isn’t as comfortable as the proportions and round arms of the September. Our September has standard cushions. For another more comfortable style I would consider the Kodiak.
I have the Emilio in the Gaucho Mocha Burnished Duane suggested from the discounted lineup. The leather is very nice.
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Hi Ragregor,
Sorry for the delayed response.... we were on vacation with the kids! I highly recommend the Emilio. The style fit the bill for us. We did not want rounded arms, nor the curves of the other sofas in the H&M lineup. Our space called for straight lines and the Emilio was the one I fell in love with. After MJM_CA helped me out and posted pics and opinions of his Emilio I became convinced. And we are going on a year and half of owning it and we absolutely do not regret our choice.
I did tweak it a bit though. We have the 21oz cushions and the sofa sits soft but firm. Not much slant on our back cushions because we adjusted them as Duane explains. The back cushions are super stuffed and comfy. I added 3" depth and the result was an ENOURMOUS sofa and chair. I can sit cross legged on it and fit perfectly well. It's almost too deep.
We had it made in GR3 Tiburon leather and absolutely love the smell, the feel, the uniqueness and the "nakedness" of the leather. It is so luxurious and unique. You can see fat wrinkles, flea bites, birth marks (I think??), etc. in the hide! It is so amazing! The arms are not comfy though, as MJM_CA, comments. They are cushioned but since there are nails on them and they are square, you can't lay your head on them, and you can inadvertently hit you elbow on a nail, etc. But I have tons of beautiful throw pillows that I rest my head on when I nap on the sofa. The leather just cradles you and you sleep like a baby! So yes, I suggest a GR 3 not a GR1 leather. It is totally worth the investment. I now see other people's "painted" leather sofas and feel like a leather snob as I look with a critiquing eye. The Gaucho Mocha leather was a close second choice that I considered due to the price break you get but at the time of my order it was out of stock. I love the deep color of the Gaucho Mocha. And trust me, I looked AT ALL THE GR 3 leathers. We could not afford to go up to GR 4 although I would have loved to! I have enough leather samples to cover another sofa!
Lastly, but most importantly, Duane was amazing at helping me choose and order our dream furniture. I HIGHLY recommend him and his unwavering commitment to his customers and to the H&M brand. I only wish I had 4 other living rooms to fill with furniture so that I could buy some more H&M pieces from him. His prices BTW are the best in the country -even with shipping included! I'm thinking that I might need to order some bar stools in the near future ;)
I live in Houston and during hurricane Harvey we escaped without water damage, thank God. But we now joke at what we would have done to save our precious H&M furniture in the case of flooding. The Emilio is NOT a sofa that my husband and I could move by ourselves to the second story of the house.... it weighs like 300 or 400 lbs if not more!! So we have come up with ideas (besides buying flood insurance of course!) on how we would lift it on large buckets or bricks to save it from water damage! We love it that much!
I hope this helps you with your decision. Let us know what you decide to do!
Cheers!
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Thank you all for your in-depth responses, the photos have been very helpful. We seem to be on the same page as you ViViV regarding the style - we are not looking for rounded arms and the Emilio suits our preferences more than any other in the H&M lineup.
We are intrigued by the idea of adding depth given that the seat depth is just 21.5". I realize that this is a customization and likely will influence price by quite a bit. Was the cost increase worth it for the extra depth in your opinion ViViV? I also imagine we would be interested in the 21oz cushions after reading several reviews on this forum.
Lastly, this may be a question for Duane, but after looking through a variety of leather samples and heeding your advice on G3 leather, we had identified Wade Coffee as our favorite. However, within a day or 2 of taking the sample home with us, we realized that it is no longer on the H&M website. It is common for leathers to come and go on the site? Does this mean it is discontinued or perhaps just out of stock?
RG
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If it's off the website, it means the leather had been dropped. Very commonplace, we lose about 80 hides a year and get 80 news ones. Sometimes there is stock left. Sometimes you can still get it depending on if its a tannery drop or simply an H&M drop. The key is to not wait long to check on it.
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Hi RG,
By adding to the depth of the sofa, we ended up with the sofa we wanted -deep but not exaggeratedly deep. There are some ridiculously huge sofas out there that only extremely tall people can be comfortable in. Mine is deep enough that I can cross my legs on it and fit fine. To reach the floor though, I need a couple cushions behind my back. But I'm short -5'2". The seat cushions on the sofas are enormous but keep in mind that the back cushions are overstuffed so they "cover" part of the cushion. I will send you some more pictures tomorrow for reference. I think they'll help.
Bottom line, for us the customization of the sofa's (and the chair's as well) depth was totally worth it as was the leather upgrade.
Vivi
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Hi Duane,
We are starting to settle in on some decisions and are nearing the point of requesting price quotes. We haven't really settled on a local dealer here in Indiana so we are curious if you'd be able to help us out (not sure if location causes issues). I saw in another one of your posts that H&M often does deals in August, so we may be interested in waiting to see if that occurs before proceeding, though we were really hoping to have Wade as our leather so if there's some possibility that it's still in use, we might be willing to fast-track things a little. Please let me know the best course of action. Appreciate it!
RG
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Sure, I ship all over the USA.
Wade is dropped, its not on their leather list any longer (I checked yesterday). I did not see if it can still be acquired or if they have any left over. For that, would need the color and approximate pieces you would want in it (Sofa, Chair, Ottoman, etc) so square footage can be figured out.
I'm expecting to see a 5 % off sale for August......however that is not yet confirmed.
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Wade Coffee is gone-gone-gone. After working through the chain of command, the tannery came back and said they would make a batch, minimum order is 2,500 S.F. and that's a LOT of leather that would require many pieces to use up.
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Hey Duane. We received our leather samples and have a few follow-up questions.
1) The aspen tobacco sample looks high sheen. This contradicts commentary and pictures in the forum, as well as a sample we saw at a local store (we saw a large Aspen Saddle sample but wanted to see the darker Aspen Tobacco). We are looking for more of a matte finish so this was a bit of a letdown. Wondering if we got a sample that doesn't provide a great representation?
2) Lyric tobacco gives us the matte finish we are looking for, though it appeared a bit two-toned and unfortunately I haven't seen any pictures on the forum. Is there a two-tone effect? Also, you've stated the following on lyric.. i imagine we should focus on the more recent post?
In 2017 you posted: "Lyric, GR 2. A finished leather designed to look like a Pull-up, except its painted on rather than natural. Why would you even consider this? Just say No to fake pull-ups." Then in 2018 you posted: "new Lyric Series leather is very, very nice. It's a GR 2 leather that you would never think was a finished hide, it looks and feels like a pure aniline."
3) I don't see any commentary on the forum for the Quest series. We liked our sample and it seems like a quality leather. Any thoughts on Quest?
I've attached a picture of Aspen Tobacco (Left) and Lyric Tobacco (right). The picture doesn't quite do it justice but you should be able to see the sheen I've mentioned on the top of the Aspen sample as well as the slight two-tone on Lyric.
Thanks!
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I would not think of Aspen as high-sheen, but neither is it a matte finish. I'd consider it a low sheen from the pieces I have seen. For more matte, look at a leather like Champion or Angelo.
Lyric is a simulated pull-up effect leather so have put a pattern into the finish. When I made the initial assessment of it that was off a sample only. As pieces came it done in that leather I changed my opinion of it and it sells well. It's a unique hide and you have to like the look - which I do. You will not confuse it for a real Italian pull-up, however. You can see it on this recliner:
http://www.myfurnitureforum.com/show...adies+recliner
I don't sell much of the Quest leather, in fact I can't recall the last piece ordered in it. No reason to avoid it but it does look like many other series that H&M already offers. There is nothing unique or outstanding about it.
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I'm trying to figure out what's the depth of the seat cushions on Emilio Sofa? Is it really 21.5" as on the H&M site?
Hard to believe that back cushion+back = 22.5"
H 37.5", W 98", D 44"
Inside: W 82.75", D 21.5"
Otherwise the only other deep sofa is Chelsea as Settlement is too big.
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21.5" is about right, they do vary from piece to piece. Overall depth is 44" front to back. Not sure where you are coming up with a 22.5" dimension.
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I think they are substracting the seat depth from the overall depth and saying that means the rest, which is 22.5 inches is how thick the back of the sofa and back cushion must be. I know some sofas have curved backs that can increase the overall depth of the sofa. Its hard to picture why a piece that is 44 inches deep would only have 21.5 inches of seat depth. One reason places like Pottery Barn are liked so much is the deep sofas they offer. If you are very tall or just like to curl up or lay down and take a nap on a sofa the deeper ones are liked a lot. Especially for a family room where lounging and TV watching are the main activities. H&M does not really cater to that with their 21-22 inch deep sofas which seem taylored for sitting forward with your feet on the floor like you would in a more formal living room with guests, for example. Pottery Barn has several that are 29-30 inches deep.
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21.5" is about right, they do vary from piece to piece. Overall depth is 44" front to back. Not sure where you are coming up with a 22.5" dimension.
44" (overall depth) - 21.5" (seat depth) = 22.5"
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I think they are substracting the seat depth from the overall depth and saying that means the rest, which is 22.5 inches is how thick the back of the sofa and back cushion must be. I know some sofas have cured backs that can increase the overall depth of the sofa. Its hard to picture why a piece that is 44 inches deep would only have 21.5 inches of seat depth. One reason places like Pottery Barn are like so much is the deep sofas they offer. If you are very tall or just like to curl up or lay down and take a nap on a sofa the deeper ones are liked a lot. Especially for a family room where lounging and TV watching are the main activities. H&M does not really cater to that with theirr 21-22 inch deep sofas which seem taylored for sitting forward with your feet on the floor like you would in a more formal living room with guests, for example. They have several that are 29-30 inches deep.
6478-3 Chelsea Sofa
H: 38.5" W: 91" D: 42"
Inside: W: 80" D: 26.5"
Trying to figure out why Emilo depth is so much different compared to Chelsea.
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Hancock and Moore operates their own frame factory, and they are still made by hand of solid wood, so you can customize the depth to suit your needs. Typically a depth change adds 20% to the price on most standard-style frames. That's not a bad upcharge when you consider the frame has to be custom-made, the marker has to add that depth to several of the leather panels used, the seat springs have to be re-arranged and added to, and they have to order custom seat cores as well. I have several clients that order custom depths and lengths to get what they want in a sofa and its well worth it since these pieces last a long time.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but can’t the Emilio be ordered “XL”, which makes it 3” deeper for a total of 24.5’ deep ?
We own a Emilio couch and chair (bought at the keeping room) that is XL and it’s 24.5” deep.